Hyde Name Origins.

The name "HYDE" is derived from the hide, a measure of land for taxation purposes, taken to be that area of land necessary to support a peasant family. In later times it was taken to be equivalent to 120 acres .
March 2014
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Tuesday, 8 July 2014

Eric Harrison Godley Junction Signalman


I was contacted this week by a lovely lady called Liz Harrison who supplied the following information and could do with some help.. I hope we can sort something out for the family.





My grandad Eric Harrison was the Signalman at Godley Junction for many years. This is the only picture we have of him there and we have looked through many archives to find more pictures of him but nothing as turned up. Could you put this on the blog to see if anyone may have any pictures? He was my dad's idol and I am desperate to find something for him.
Thank you


I am sure there are other pictures out there of Eric, Godley Junction was a favourite hangout for many a train spotter,  hopefully amongst the many picture that have been taken over the years around the Signal Box someone somewhere captured Eric going about his job. 


There might be colleagues who have pictures and of course memories of Eric Harrison whose nick-name on the railways was 'Pedro' because of his moustache. He worked at the Godley Signal Box from around 1952 until he retired around 1980.


Eric was born 12th August 1917/8 the details of this date are sketchy, alas died 19th April 1990 Eric was originally from Sheffield but lived in Dukinfield with wife Jessie. They had 2 daughters Kathleen and Janet and 3 sons Roy, Ralph and Liz's dad Keith.

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We have managed in the past to come up with pictures and memories for folk, I hope we can do it again this time.

Update
Eric's son Roy worked on Brookfold Signal Box in between Apethorn Junction and Godley. They called him 'son of pedro'

Friday, 27 June 2014

Got a very interesting email from David Stafford this week...  David wrote just had this document passed to me from Joe Lloyd a local historian and railway enthusiast. It depicts air raids over Hyde in the second world war if any one has any update or comment regarding this article please pass them to me and i will forward them to Joe so he can update it.




CASUALTIES IN WORLD WAR 2 AIR RAIDS ON HYDE     By Joe Lloyd


Research in 2014 at Tameside local studies & archives in Ashton-under-Lyne, found the following information in a file from Hyde Town Clerk’s Office (where by coincidence he had commenced his 35 years career in local government), and this research was prompted by his childhood recollection of his family home at 31 Stockport Road being twice damaged in air raids. 
It appears that the first bombs dropped by the Luftwaffe on Hyde, were on the evening of Sunday 22nd December 1940. People may have taken to their shelters or cellars prior to this when the air raid sirens had wailed, but no record has so far been located of previous bomb-dropping. 
On this Sunday evening about 8pm, a stick of bombs was released, and they fell: 
1. In a field close to Brookfold Lane and adjacent to the railway boundary fence, at the other side of which was the engine-turntable at the end of Godley Junction Station’s wagon sidings – a near miss! The pond adjacent to the crater has sometimes been referred to as being the crater, but no it was fished in pre-war times by Joe for jack sharps or tiddlers.
2. Also fairly close to that railway line from Godley to Woodley and beyond to Liverpool etc, this bomb fell in the then un-used part of Hyde Cemetery, close to the rear of the long terrace of houses in Peel Street, where windows and roof damage was inflicted but no personal injuries evidently known. It was  this bomb which left a hole in Joe’s attic bedroom roof with a lump of shrapnel on his bed that had been flung through the air some 150 yards out of that Cemetery. Fortunately he and the rest of his family as well as neighbours, 12 folks altogether had been in the cellar, a regular group when the sirens sounded. 3. Not very far away, a bomb made a direct hit on No. 5 Tower street demolishing it and damaging adjacent properties. The Leah family lived at No.5 and tragically the two children Harold age 6 and Thomas age 5 were buried and killed in the house debris, found in the early hours of 23rd December by the Rescue workers, Parents Thomas and Annie both were taken to the Lake Hospital survived their injuries. 4. Most tragically and just as worshippers were leaving St. George’s Church evening service, this bomb exploded on the dentist’s property in Church Street, demolishing it and so very sadly 6 people were killed outright and others were injured and were treated at the Lake Hospital or at the First Aid Post (FAP) located in the Union Street Technical School. Those who lost lives were – Miss Doreen Gardner, 17, a glove worker of 3 Hawthorn Grove; Frank S. Sharp, 44, a gardener of 2 Green Street; Ernest Waddington, 54, a boot repairer of 328 Market Street; Mr J.J. & Mrs Margaret Sudlow, 71, of 124 Dowson Road; and Norman Hinchcliffe,20, an apprentice bricklayer of 56 Newton Street.
5. A high explosive bomb had damaged a corner of the top floor and roof of Slack Mills Cotton factory, overhanging Market Street, causing a fire that was apparently quickly extinguished.
The above incidents were occurring when very much damage was being inflicted in Manchester and Fire Crews from Hyde had been called there to assist. There is a letter from the Town Clerk of Stretford notifying the death on duty there of Hyde’s Auxiliary Fireman J.T.Hallas of 11 Castle Street, off Commercial Brow, on 23rd December 1940 fighting a fire at a Trafford park timber yard and extending his Councils sympathy for the Hallas family and appreciation for the assistance rendered by Hyde crews. Those air raids of 22/23 December became known as the Manchester Blitz, referred to later.
There is a very detailed report, dated 8 January 1941 from Hyde’s Chief Constable Mr W.H Smith to the council’s Air Raid Precautions Committee, concerning this second consecutive night’s air raid (23rd December 1940), when enemy aircraft were overheard just after 7pm, after sirens had sounded. Reports of incidents quickly came to the Control Room, immediately responded to of, incendiary bomb in field near Talbot Road; houses near ICI Rexene and house 291 Dukinfield Road both on fire.
By 8.50pm more incendiaries were reported, at Dunkirk Farm, Hyde Junction, Hyde Spinning Co’s mill in Ashton Road and in Bennett Street.
Just after midnight (23/24 Dec) there were reports of flares at Godley and near the Cenotaph on Werneth Low, a basket of incendiaries near Godley Station and an unexploded bomb (UXB) at Ewen fields with another near 148 Sheffield Road.  More incendiaries, perhaps 100, on the north side of Werneth Low/Hyde’s Farm (windy harbour) as well as 13 location where suspected UXB’s had fallen, but at that stage the only evident craters were in the grounds of Brookside House and 10 Vale Avenue so residents from that vicinity of Godley were evacuated and moved to a temporary Rest Centre in the Theatre Royal where unable to be accommodated with relatives/friends. The adjacent main road A57 was temporarily closed from the Bankfield to Four Lane Ends, Hattersley. Seven heavy calibre UXB’s were found in that vicinity by Royal Engineers Bomb Disposal Teams from Ashton Barracks, working there from 27th December until 7th January. When all the suspected locations of UXB’s had been searched, it was found that many had been faulty flares, anti-aircraft shell nose-caps or shrapnel fragments.
The Chief Constable in his report paid the greatest tribute to the many people in the various services, employed and volunteers, who had responded in dealing most efficiently with these incident described. 
It appears Hyde suffered its next air raid damage on the evening of 11th March 1941 about 10pm when; 
1. A bomb exploded in Stockport Road in the carriageway in front of the terrace No. 29-37, leaving a large crater, bursting a water main and with the tram lines suspended over that hole. Sadly there was a fatal casualty, the Firewatcher Thomas Wright, 64 of 13 Knight Street who had been on duty at the street corner; another person was treated at the Lake Hospital and three others at the FAP; front walls of those terraced houses were shattered. 2. Another bomb made a direct hit on terraced houses not very far away, in Meadow Avenue adjacent to the buildings of Redferns Rubber works; fortunately the completely-demolished house’s occupants were not at home and from the very badly damaged one next door Mr and Mrs E. Hooley, 68 & 60 had a remarkable escape, having at the last minute ducked under the solid dining table and scrambled out unhurt helped by the Air Raid warden; 
3. Another bomb exploded on houses in Syddall Street that were badly damaged and had to be demolished, with some damage too caused to properties at the rear in Edna Street; two people’s injuries were treated at the Lake Hospital, others at the FAP.
During this evening’s air raid a member of the Rescue/Demolition squad was affected by coal-gas from damaged mains and one of the Policemen had a leg injury, both treated at the FAP in the Union Street Technical School.
Merseyside was also attacked on this same evening, 11th March 1941, after which a letter came from Wallasey’s Medical Officer of Health notifying the loss of life of two Hyde residents in the air raid on that town – Paul M. and Amy Arnfield of 14 Copeland Street.
There were undoubtedly many evening’s or night-times when air raid warnings were given but there is no record on that file of further casualties until 1944 is reached. However, in one of the splendid books compiled and published by the LIVING MEMORIES OF HYDE SOCIETY entitled ‘’HYDE – WARTIME MEMORIES’’ there are several pages of recollections of Vera Wood (now residing, in 1996 that was, in Australia and whose parents had a cake shop at 35 Clarendon Place) and in her diary she had recorded that the first night the sirens were heard was around 3.15am on 20th June 1940, with ‘All Clear’ sounding at 4am, going on with this log until leaving Hyde in 1942, sometimes as many as 5 alarms in one night and on the night of 22/23 December 1940 mentioned already, her family were in their shelter for over 11 hours, and her diary shows 175 alarms from June to December 1940.
Reference to another publication (reprinted in 1995 from the original published by Kemsley Newspapers Ltd. In 1945) entitled 

‘’OUR BLITZ – RED SKIES OVER MANCHESTER’’
Tells that when that first warning came on 20th June 1940, as Vera Wood correctly recorded, although enemy aircraft were heard over Manchester, there were no bombs, no ack-ack guns fired or other incidents, but on 29th July a stray aircraft dropped a bomb in the Salford area. Thereafter there were some scattered raids and it was the end of August 1940 before any bombs landed in the City of Manchester, there had already been severe attacks on Sheffield, Coventry and Birmingham; and it was on that same night just before Christmas when the first bombs were dropped on Hyde, that the onslaught on Manchester really began; Liverpool had been heavily attacked on the two previous nights and had also continued across Merseyside. That book records that the Manchester area’s last alert was the 329th between 1940 and July 1942.
Whilst the south of England had been in range of and suffering from the consequences of Germany’s V1 Rockets/’buzz bombs’ or ‘doodlebugs’ only now were other parts of the country coming under attack, evidently from these V1s being conveyed ‘piggy-back’ on top of heavy aircraft to our East Coast ( Hull area perhaps) where the rocket motors were fired up and launched westwards. In wartime, to keep up morale, one did not hear about troubles elsewhere, even in neighbouring towns, so it was a big shock in the early hours of Christmas eve 1944 to hear the unusual but unmistakeable roar of that rocket engine, then suddenly being shut off and hold one’s breath to hear an explosion and wonder where it had landed. How many more came this far westwards?
Only on Christmas Day morning did we learn – and go and see – where that spot was. Surrounded by hundreds of acres of open fields between Harrop Edge and Godley, it had exploded and demolished Westwood Farmhouse, opposite the New Inn across Mottram Road, where the Foulkes family had gathered to stay for Christmas. Sadly two of them were killed, arriving at the Mortuary at 7am Christmas Day – they were the farmer’s 17 years old son Gordon and Elizabeth Greenwood, 70, of Old Road, Failsworth and were both buried in Failsworth Cemetery. Others of the Foulkes family and also neighbours from the adjacent houses Westwood and the Glen were injured; miraculously 5 others who were in the farmhouse were uninjured. 
Those surviving records would have been so much more valuable had it been possible to locate another file ‘’A Register of War-damaged Buildings in Hyde’’ that may not have passed from Hyde Town Hall in 1974 to Tameside Council.
POSTSCRIPT – It would be interesting to learn the extent of the air raid damage inflicted on the other towns of Tameside. In
 ‘OUR BLITZ – RED SKIES OVER MANCHESTER’  it is stated that nearby Stockport escaped relatively lightly and perhaps was the most fortunate of all the towns in greater Manchester, although on one evening thousands of incendiaries fell on Stockport from aircraft many thousands of feet overhead, causing many fires evidently very quickly tackled, but there was damage to some hundreds of houses and personal injuries with only four people killed.
The Manchester area was protected by dozens of barrage balloons and by batteries of anti-aircraft guns – but where were those guns located: were any in Tameside? It has been said that there was such a battery on Werneth Low – The home Guard had a base at Windy Harbour but never possessed that weaponry. Ashton Moss could have suitable position? It is believed an ack-ack battery was at Melland Camp, Mount Road near Belle Vue. There was an observation Post to spot incoming bombers, with a bunker close to Hare and Hounds pub – it is still there, alongside the much more recent car park, hardly visible above ground level.
Mention has never been heard of our Interceptor Fighters being involved when these Manchester area air raids occurred – certainly the sound of their Rolls Royce Merlin engines would have been so distinctly recognised against the dull throbbing engines of the heavy bombers. It would be interesting to learn whether our Fighter Planes were ever in action here at the time of the Manchester Blitz and if so, where were their RAF bases?

Enemy aircraft heading for Manchester, once over the Pennines must have had a splendid navigational pointer below them in the line of the Longdendale Valley reservoirs, the Woodhead railway line and the large water expanse of the Denton and Audenshaw reservoirs and then would probably be flying near or directly over Hyde, where any bomber crew not wishing to be entangled in ack-ack flak or barrage balloons, could conceivably have been jettisoning their bomb load over our town before high-tailing it off home!  

Friday, 20 June 2014

New Blog-Site Hyde In War-Time WW1

I have spent some time scanning the book Hyde In War, pages from which have feature on here a few times. The book can be read in the Library, but is not to be taken out. I had never even heard of this book until a few years back. I was lucky enough to be given a copy and thought then it deserves it's own blog-site, where anyone with a computer could view and read it.


It really is a very good read, follow the link above and check it out, I'm sure you will find it of interest.


Monday, 16 June 2014

Lumn Road Stone Terrace Question


I received an email this week asking for a bit o help in finding the age of a row of stone terraces on Lumn Road, over to Clifford
"Hello, I live in an old stone terrace houses on Lumn Road and the junction of what was Queen Street Hyde. Still standing in my back yard is the old outside loo, it's no longer functional but would make a great restoration project at some point.  My question is would anybody know the approximate age of these properties? I tried to find out myself but to no avail".




Modern Map
The terrace now backs on to Glover Road
Hopefully we might be able to help get some idea of the age of the houses as well.


The above map is from 1841, the terrace are there then, I've highlighted them in yellow, Lumn Road was then called Back Lane. A lot of the land around there was owned by Edward Hyde Clarke, there's no details on the houses as to date or ownership.. the land behind the reservoir was known as Lady Heys.

Map from 1910

I had to write back to Clifford asking for a picture or two of the outside lav, I'm sure a few out there will have tales to tell of them.




Wednesday, 11 June 2014

Pole Bank Video

Another great video from Dave Barlow (Friends Of Pole Bank) . It will always be my pleasure to see items coming in from Pole Bank. Dave sent this in a while back now when the site was not being updated... and for that I am sorry for the delay. Anyhow sit back and enjoy the film.


I had intended to go to Pole Bank last week with my camera and get some recent shots but could not make it on the day. I will however get there and take pictures to seeing how the work as now blended back into its surroundings.

Thanks again Dave  

Thursday, 5 June 2014

Arthur Chesworth

In the emails this morning was this sad one from Highbury South Australia.

To all at the Hyde Cheshire Blog.
My name is Andrew Jesse and I live in Highbury South Australia.
Just to let you know, Arthur Chesworth passed away Sunday 1st of June 2014 at the Modbury hospital, South Australia after a long battle with leukaemia.
I was a friend of his, and found your blog 4 months ago. I printed off the team photo for Arthur. He was delighted.
He would have wanted me to let you all know of the situation. R.I.P. Arthur Chesworth.

It is nice to think that a picture posted on here, and kindly printed off by Arthurs friend Andrew bought him some comfort.  R.I.P. Arthur.

Thank you to Andrew for letting us know.



Arthur Chesworth is in this team photo of the Union street Church football team. He is the lad holding the cup in the front row after the 60/61 grand final win. Arthur was born 3/9/1946 and was 67 years old at the time of his passing. His funeral was a packed house event and was held on the 5thJune 2014. His ashes are due to be scattered at the Highercombe golf club where he was a keen member, with a handicap in single figures.




Arthur Chesworth
03/09/1946  -  01/06/2014
R.I.P.

Sunday, 1 June 2014

Is This The Oldest Postbox In Town ?

Not had the time or inclination to check the emails of late, that sounds terrible but it's more to do with not being up to it than can't be bothered.


Anyway... there has been a few good ones come in, and this one from Philip Ward get my interest. 

Over to Phil:


"I have been enjoying your Hydonian blog for several years.  At last I thought I would send an entry to see if it gets posted.
 I have attached two photos of a post box, which I have walked past many times over the years.   But just not any old post box, perhaps. 


On every post box in the UK, the Royal Cipher can be seen relating the reigning monarch at the time of the installation.  It is made up of the Christian (first) name of the King or Queen together with the letter R which stands for Regina (Queen) or Rex (King).



This particular post box is located at the junction of Clarendon Road and Commercial Brow.  The royal cipher on the front of the post box is “GR” (George Rex) – which would relate to King George the Sixth.  Therefore this post box would have been installed during his reign of 1936 to 1952 – probably towards the latter part of his reign maybe?   So the post box is at least 62 years old.  I cannot recall seeing any other post boxes with such a crest anywhere else.  All other post boxes seem to carry the royal cipher “EiiR” (Elizabeth Regina) for Queen Elizabeth the Second (1952 - present day).

I would guess this is probably the oldest post box in Hyde - if not Tameside!"

Wednesday, 14 May 2014

Hyde Market Hall's "Let's Talk Tripe" Make's The Headline's.


A Hyde Market Hall trader is serving up an appetiser with a difference to mark the start of "Love Your Local Market" fortnight - tripe smoothie! 
Lyndon Boot, of the ‘Let’s Talk Tripe’ stall in Hyde Market, will be offering free samples of his speciality recipe and other goodies .   Local Lad - Local Trader ... can't get better than that....  I've tried the smoothy, and I must say it is not to bad.... I started with a sip and then another and it went down well... not what I expected I must say... If you don't like the tripe he sell so much more than that like Bury Black Puddings, Rag Puddings, Savoury Ducks. Dripping, Pork Ribs, Gammon, Bacon, Sausage and much more.





Go on get down Hyde and support our local market
 

Monday, 14 April 2014

Lowry's Nightclub ..... Revisited.


I recently received an email from John Bennet, the name was familiar to me  but at first I could not put a face to it.... as soon as I started to read the email I taken back 30-plus years to my time as a doorman at Lowry's Nightclub Grafton Street Hyde. 


Lowry's From Clarendon Road

Over to John ...
Hello,
I've just spent many hours reading through your web page on Hyde and Newton. Yours is a fabulously informative site.
 I was even more amazed to find a section on "Lowry's" nightclub, Hyde, in the years I was the club's resident DJ-1979-1980. I am now wondering if the writer of the Lowry's piece, along with the editor of the website, would like some bits and pieces to do with the club, for future insertion.


I chat to Carol, once wife of Alan, and her sister, Lynn a lot and we share great memories on Facebook.

Perhaps you could mention me on site, Lowry's was one of the happiest, funniest and brilliant places to work!!"
Best wishes
John Bennett
sloopjohnrb Radio Caroline North


Lowry's Notepaper with attached 'Radio Caroline Night' ticket 


Lowry's Monday 60s Night Ticket ... Legendary


Advert for Radio Caroline night



Lowry's Very Own Rocking Gran
Thank you John for this trip down memory lane... I'm sure there will be many who recall you and the Monday nights music... I'd forgot all about Rocking Gran.... Lowry's does pop up a lot on Facebook.... and apart from the stickiness of the carpet,  it is recalled with fondness by many.
Lowry's helped other businesses to do well, The likes of The Albion, Jolly Carter, The Queens Hotel, Cheshire Cheese, The Clarendon,  Church Inn, The Crown, Ring 'O' Bells, The Clarks, The Lamb, The Werneth, The Railway, The Ten Houses, The Hallbottom, The Bay Horse, Cheshire Cheese Newton, The Junction, The Ducki Arms... The Four In Hand, The New Inn,  even The Kings Head from Denton all had groups arriving in Tameside Taxi's.. I'm sure many more pubs benefited as well. All the local takeaways and Restaurants did well and started to stay open later. As mentioned Tameside Taxi's did very well.... most night the carpark was like a rank with taxi's dropping off or parked up awaiting a fair. I myself got to know so many of the drivers at this time.... some I am happy to see still behind the wheel... but each of them that worked Hyde rank tell me the same.... Hyde at that time was where the money was. All because one Alan Greenwood (R.I.P.) had the idea of nightclub in Hyde centre.    

Saturday, 29 March 2014


Todays post is from Scott Nelson.

Scott says "
I very much enjoy the old pictures, and some not so old, pictures of Hyde and surrounding area. I've been transferring some old (well not very) pictures to a new computer and came across a few I had taken with my then, new 'phone from the top of the multi-storey car park in Hyde.










They show the view across the Clarendon Place rooftop towards Flowery Field Church, over the Beeley Street car parks and Iceland towards St. Georges Church, and Social Security building/Supermarket with John Grundy house and The Queens at either side.


Given that it's now wrapped up prior to becoming a chicken outlet, the chance to take photos like these has now past."

Thanks Scott, I've never been a fan of the car-park... but it served a purpose. As for KFC I know I'll like that less... far to many food outlets, and most of them stink.  What a shame to see the town going the way it is at the moment.