Hyde Name Origins.

The name "HYDE" is derived from the hide, a measure of land for taxation purposes, taken to be that area of land necessary to support a peasant family. In later times it was taken to be equivalent to 120 acres .
March 2014
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Monday, 29 September 2014

More from Pole Bank

Another video kindly sent in by email for used all to see and enjoy the on going work to get Pole Bank Grounds up to speck.



Pole Bank Hall Cheshire, is also a Facebook Group which some might find an interesting place page to view what is happening and when. Hopefully some might want to join in the good work.

My thanks to David Barlow for the video.

Saturday, 20 September 2014

Help Needed

Interesting request that came in through the emails...
A request for information from Gillian Johnson on behalf of her mother, over to Gillian.
My mum, now 89 years young fondly remembers visiting relatives on Market Street, Hyde round about 1935 - 40. She had lost both her own parents and thinks probably family members "took it in turn" to have her to stay sometimes.

My mum recalls visiting Beryl Wood who she thinks was a similar age her, maybe a bit older, Mums memories are full of kindnesses and playing under the table!,  there was a shop on Market Street- maybe a sweet or toy shop, that was owned by Beryls grandparents who were named Knowles and their daughter was Nellie who married Cyril Wood and they lived on Gower Road. Nellie died and Cyril married Edith. Mum recalls Cyril was a market trader, she thinks selling Biscuits.
She would love to know what happened to them as they were all so kind to her when her life living with her Uncle Harry was quite difficult. I don't know if any of your followers have any memories that would help me find more information as I have been unable to turn up anything so far.



Beryl Wood

I am quite a novice at this kind of thing, but mum has previously contacted the press and over sixties clubs in the area with no luck. Hoping you can help.

Tuesday, 9 September 2014

Demolition Of The Fire Station And Health Clinic.

When emails come in I never know what will turn up... to say I was pleased with this contact is an understatement. 


Over to Richard Thornley.  "I came across these pictures recently when I was tidying up. I worked for the construction company that built Asda in Hyde. I took these photographs while the demolition of the old Fire Station and Health Clinic was going on. Many of the materials like slates, cast iron guttering and drainpipes and even some of the interior were sold off prior to the demolition. While we were carrying out the demolition of the Fire Station, we came across a stone plaque commemorating the opening of the station. I contacted Hyde Fire Station, and we carefully removed the plaque and transported it to the new Fire Station where they installed it in reception.  I hope these picture are of some use to you."

Richard Thornley  











All I can say is well done to all involved in saving this Plaque, this important bit of Hydes History could have been lost for ever if these workers had not had the sense to save it.

The old Health Clinic
What a fine looking building this was... it would have been the envy of many a local council to have such a building in it's town centre. The next few pictures are quite sad to see... can you believe those grand pillars and top couldn't be saved... 











I asked Richard how come the stone work was demolished, and his answer was simple...  


Richard said  "They did try to sell the pillars & surrounding stonework,  but couldn't find a buyer in time.  

Unfortunately they were knocked down and then put through a stone crusher and used under the car park"

What a shame, such a sad sight.

I'd like to say thank you to Richard for these great pictures and documenting the demise of these iconic Hyde buildings, and for having the hindsight to save the Fire Station Plaque and making sure it was safely removed to the Station on Railway Street. 


Tuesday, 26 August 2014

HIGH BANK TIGERS Cycle Speedway Team

From our emails...

Hi there,  our names are Trevor Kay and Dave Oates we and others are celebrating what will be fifty years this year since we were lucky enough to win the British national junior team championship at cycle speedway in September of 1964 at Raynes park in Surrey Is it possible to have brief mention of this on the Thameside blog It all started out as just a bit of fun but in the enclosed brief history it will tell the story better



Team picture are from top left to right: P.Groome manager, Trevor Kay Capt. Ronnie Boote,Dave Newton, Bottom left to right: Brian Wheatley, Bernard Shaw and Billie Rutter.

















The poem was all Dave Oates work 



Updated

Over head view from the 1970s



The left arrow points to The Talbot Pub, the right to the cycle track




Saturday, 23 August 2014

Kate Middleton and her link to Hyde


An interesting email from Michael Reed of an article in The Telegraph newspaper... about the Duchess of Cambridge, Kate Middleton's link to Hyde.


Kate is related to Beatrix Potter, who had given the Middleton family her own original hand-painted illustrations.
Kate’s great-great-great uncle was the Leeds University pro-chancellor Dr Arthur Lupton, whose brother-in-law was Lord Ashton, 1st Baron Ashton of HYDE. Baron Ashton was the first cousin of Beatrix.



“Beatrix had given the Middleton family a number of her own drawings, including four for Kate’s blood cousins, sisters Elinor and Elizabeth – who were the daughters of Dr Lupton,” says the art historian Michael Reed. “These four drawings were auctioned in 2006 and sold for £41,500.”
Michael Reed says the associations go further still. Beatrix’s father, Rupert Potter, had been taught at Manchester College by Kate’s ancestor, Dr James Martineau, who was well acquainted with Queen Victoria.
Beatrix lived in the Lake District, where Kate’s grandfather, Peter Middleton, had regularly holidayed as a youth.
It was in the Lake District in the summer of 1936 that Peter’s mother Olive Lupton was rushed to hospital with peritonitis, dying on September 27, aged only 55, leaving behind a large trust fund for her descendants.



The snow-covered peaks featured on the Middleton family crest represent the Lake District and are perhaps also a reminder of one-year old Prince George’s famous literary relative.
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Thank you to Michael Reed for todays posting







Saturday, 9 August 2014

I was informed this week that one of our subscribers JOE LLOYD of Gee Cross had passed away. Joe was a local historian and railway enthusiast

Joe Lloyd


 Words By Dave Stafford
Joe was born in Wallasey son of a grocer but moved to Hyde very soon after his birth.
Lived on Stockport road a few doors away from Zion’s church and the railway lines on Peel Street
He attended Leigh Street School, then moved to Hyde Grammar, his father died when he was fifteen from an old WW1 wound.
Attended St Georges scouts and got his interest in the peak district walking and hiking he became scout leader taking his troop on numerous trips, and even to Switzerland.
Stayed involved with the scouts all his life.
Started work at Beyer Peacocks (Gorton tank) as a trainee apprentice designer then called up for national service.
Served in Northern Ireland in the military police special investigations squad rose to sergeant this is where he got his interest in research, after national service he decided Beyer Peacocks not the job for his so he started at Hyde town hall as a committee Clark 1946 stayed in local government all his career working at Stratford Stockport Dukinfield and Hyde and was part of the formation of T.M.B.C.
Married Betty 1953
In 1974 moved to Ashton T.H. as an assistant director of administration and retired in 1981
But carried on with committees charities and trust. 
He has published books on Beyer Peacocks locomotive listing every locomotive built and where they are today and enclosing all design drawing of each one.

He had a love of cars and travelling and a never ending searching for facts

R.I.P.

Friday, 1 August 2014

Samuel Oldham 'White Gates Landlord' Information please


Recently in our emails was a request for information concerning Samuel Oldham, one time Landlord of The White Gates public house.

Over to Andrea:
    I came across your blog today and I thought you might be interested in this photo.  It is my grandfather, Samuel Oldham, standing in front of the White Gates Inn.  He was the licensee or victualler at the time.  I'm not sure when the photo was taken and this scanned version is a little difficult to see details but I have always loved this photo




My grandmother told me The White Gates was in the family for several generations until it was eventually sold.  My father lived above the pub when he was a boy.  I have just started doing a genealogical search of my father's family and that is how I came across your blog.  Maybe someone reading your blog will recognize him or his name.  my grandmother's name is Hannah Chapel.  She was born and raised in Hyde as well.  Born in 1900.  I know that both my grandparents had many relatives in Hyde.  Maybe there are still some living there.  I hope to visit there some day.  I live in Dallas, Texas.




Tuesday, 8 July 2014

Eric Harrison Godley Junction Signalman


I was contacted this week by a lovely lady called Liz Harrison who supplied the following information and could do with some help.. I hope we can sort something out for the family.





My grandad Eric Harrison was the Signalman at Godley Junction for many years. This is the only picture we have of him there and we have looked through many archives to find more pictures of him but nothing as turned up. Could you put this on the blog to see if anyone may have any pictures? He was my dad's idol and I am desperate to find something for him.
Thank you


I am sure there are other pictures out there of Eric, Godley Junction was a favourite hangout for many a train spotter,  hopefully amongst the many picture that have been taken over the years around the Signal Box someone somewhere captured Eric going about his job. 


There might be colleagues who have pictures and of course memories of Eric Harrison whose nick-name on the railways was 'Pedro' because of his moustache. He worked at the Godley Signal Box from around 1952 until he retired around 1980.


Eric was born 12th August 1917/8 the details of this date are sketchy, alas died 19th April 1990 Eric was originally from Sheffield but lived in Dukinfield with wife Jessie. They had 2 daughters Kathleen and Janet and 3 sons Roy, Ralph and Liz's dad Keith.

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We have managed in the past to come up with pictures and memories for folk, I hope we can do it again this time.

Update
Eric's son Roy worked on Brookfold Signal Box in between Apethorn Junction and Godley. They called him 'son of pedro'

Friday, 27 June 2014

Got a very interesting email from David Stafford this week...  David wrote just had this document passed to me from Joe Lloyd a local historian and railway enthusiast. It depicts air raids over Hyde in the second world war if any one has any update or comment regarding this article please pass them to me and i will forward them to Joe so he can update it.




CASUALTIES IN WORLD WAR 2 AIR RAIDS ON HYDE     By Joe Lloyd


Research in 2014 at Tameside local studies & archives in Ashton-under-Lyne, found the following information in a file from Hyde Town Clerk’s Office (where by coincidence he had commenced his 35 years career in local government), and this research was prompted by his childhood recollection of his family home at 31 Stockport Road being twice damaged in air raids. 
It appears that the first bombs dropped by the Luftwaffe on Hyde, were on the evening of Sunday 22nd December 1940. People may have taken to their shelters or cellars prior to this when the air raid sirens had wailed, but no record has so far been located of previous bomb-dropping. 
On this Sunday evening about 8pm, a stick of bombs was released, and they fell: 
1. In a field close to Brookfold Lane and adjacent to the railway boundary fence, at the other side of which was the engine-turntable at the end of Godley Junction Station’s wagon sidings – a near miss! The pond adjacent to the crater has sometimes been referred to as being the crater, but no it was fished in pre-war times by Joe for jack sharps or tiddlers.
2. Also fairly close to that railway line from Godley to Woodley and beyond to Liverpool etc, this bomb fell in the then un-used part of Hyde Cemetery, close to the rear of the long terrace of houses in Peel Street, where windows and roof damage was inflicted but no personal injuries evidently known. It was  this bomb which left a hole in Joe’s attic bedroom roof with a lump of shrapnel on his bed that had been flung through the air some 150 yards out of that Cemetery. Fortunately he and the rest of his family as well as neighbours, 12 folks altogether had been in the cellar, a regular group when the sirens sounded. 3. Not very far away, a bomb made a direct hit on No. 5 Tower street demolishing it and damaging adjacent properties. The Leah family lived at No.5 and tragically the two children Harold age 6 and Thomas age 5 were buried and killed in the house debris, found in the early hours of 23rd December by the Rescue workers, Parents Thomas and Annie both were taken to the Lake Hospital survived their injuries. 4. Most tragically and just as worshippers were leaving St. George’s Church evening service, this bomb exploded on the dentist’s property in Church Street, demolishing it and so very sadly 6 people were killed outright and others were injured and were treated at the Lake Hospital or at the First Aid Post (FAP) located in the Union Street Technical School. Those who lost lives were – Miss Doreen Gardner, 17, a glove worker of 3 Hawthorn Grove; Frank S. Sharp, 44, a gardener of 2 Green Street; Ernest Waddington, 54, a boot repairer of 328 Market Street; Mr J.J. & Mrs Margaret Sudlow, 71, of 124 Dowson Road; and Norman Hinchcliffe,20, an apprentice bricklayer of 56 Newton Street.
5. A high explosive bomb had damaged a corner of the top floor and roof of Slack Mills Cotton factory, overhanging Market Street, causing a fire that was apparently quickly extinguished.
The above incidents were occurring when very much damage was being inflicted in Manchester and Fire Crews from Hyde had been called there to assist. There is a letter from the Town Clerk of Stretford notifying the death on duty there of Hyde’s Auxiliary Fireman J.T.Hallas of 11 Castle Street, off Commercial Brow, on 23rd December 1940 fighting a fire at a Trafford park timber yard and extending his Councils sympathy for the Hallas family and appreciation for the assistance rendered by Hyde crews. Those air raids of 22/23 December became known as the Manchester Blitz, referred to later.
There is a very detailed report, dated 8 January 1941 from Hyde’s Chief Constable Mr W.H Smith to the council’s Air Raid Precautions Committee, concerning this second consecutive night’s air raid (23rd December 1940), when enemy aircraft were overheard just after 7pm, after sirens had sounded. Reports of incidents quickly came to the Control Room, immediately responded to of, incendiary bomb in field near Talbot Road; houses near ICI Rexene and house 291 Dukinfield Road both on fire.
By 8.50pm more incendiaries were reported, at Dunkirk Farm, Hyde Junction, Hyde Spinning Co’s mill in Ashton Road and in Bennett Street.
Just after midnight (23/24 Dec) there were reports of flares at Godley and near the Cenotaph on Werneth Low, a basket of incendiaries near Godley Station and an unexploded bomb (UXB) at Ewen fields with another near 148 Sheffield Road.  More incendiaries, perhaps 100, on the north side of Werneth Low/Hyde’s Farm (windy harbour) as well as 13 location where suspected UXB’s had fallen, but at that stage the only evident craters were in the grounds of Brookside House and 10 Vale Avenue so residents from that vicinity of Godley were evacuated and moved to a temporary Rest Centre in the Theatre Royal where unable to be accommodated with relatives/friends. The adjacent main road A57 was temporarily closed from the Bankfield to Four Lane Ends, Hattersley. Seven heavy calibre UXB’s were found in that vicinity by Royal Engineers Bomb Disposal Teams from Ashton Barracks, working there from 27th December until 7th January. When all the suspected locations of UXB’s had been searched, it was found that many had been faulty flares, anti-aircraft shell nose-caps or shrapnel fragments.
The Chief Constable in his report paid the greatest tribute to the many people in the various services, employed and volunteers, who had responded in dealing most efficiently with these incident described. 
It appears Hyde suffered its next air raid damage on the evening of 11th March 1941 about 10pm when; 
1. A bomb exploded in Stockport Road in the carriageway in front of the terrace No. 29-37, leaving a large crater, bursting a water main and with the tram lines suspended over that hole. Sadly there was a fatal casualty, the Firewatcher Thomas Wright, 64 of 13 Knight Street who had been on duty at the street corner; another person was treated at the Lake Hospital and three others at the FAP; front walls of those terraced houses were shattered. 2. Another bomb made a direct hit on terraced houses not very far away, in Meadow Avenue adjacent to the buildings of Redferns Rubber works; fortunately the completely-demolished house’s occupants were not at home and from the very badly damaged one next door Mr and Mrs E. Hooley, 68 & 60 had a remarkable escape, having at the last minute ducked under the solid dining table and scrambled out unhurt helped by the Air Raid warden; 
3. Another bomb exploded on houses in Syddall Street that were badly damaged and had to be demolished, with some damage too caused to properties at the rear in Edna Street; two people’s injuries were treated at the Lake Hospital, others at the FAP.
During this evening’s air raid a member of the Rescue/Demolition squad was affected by coal-gas from damaged mains and one of the Policemen had a leg injury, both treated at the FAP in the Union Street Technical School.
Merseyside was also attacked on this same evening, 11th March 1941, after which a letter came from Wallasey’s Medical Officer of Health notifying the loss of life of two Hyde residents in the air raid on that town – Paul M. and Amy Arnfield of 14 Copeland Street.
There were undoubtedly many evening’s or night-times when air raid warnings were given but there is no record on that file of further casualties until 1944 is reached. However, in one of the splendid books compiled and published by the LIVING MEMORIES OF HYDE SOCIETY entitled ‘’HYDE – WARTIME MEMORIES’’ there are several pages of recollections of Vera Wood (now residing, in 1996 that was, in Australia and whose parents had a cake shop at 35 Clarendon Place) and in her diary she had recorded that the first night the sirens were heard was around 3.15am on 20th June 1940, with ‘All Clear’ sounding at 4am, going on with this log until leaving Hyde in 1942, sometimes as many as 5 alarms in one night and on the night of 22/23 December 1940 mentioned already, her family were in their shelter for over 11 hours, and her diary shows 175 alarms from June to December 1940.
Reference to another publication (reprinted in 1995 from the original published by Kemsley Newspapers Ltd. In 1945) entitled 

‘’OUR BLITZ – RED SKIES OVER MANCHESTER’’
Tells that when that first warning came on 20th June 1940, as Vera Wood correctly recorded, although enemy aircraft were heard over Manchester, there were no bombs, no ack-ack guns fired or other incidents, but on 29th July a stray aircraft dropped a bomb in the Salford area. Thereafter there were some scattered raids and it was the end of August 1940 before any bombs landed in the City of Manchester, there had already been severe attacks on Sheffield, Coventry and Birmingham; and it was on that same night just before Christmas when the first bombs were dropped on Hyde, that the onslaught on Manchester really began; Liverpool had been heavily attacked on the two previous nights and had also continued across Merseyside. That book records that the Manchester area’s last alert was the 329th between 1940 and July 1942.
Whilst the south of England had been in range of and suffering from the consequences of Germany’s V1 Rockets/’buzz bombs’ or ‘doodlebugs’ only now were other parts of the country coming under attack, evidently from these V1s being conveyed ‘piggy-back’ on top of heavy aircraft to our East Coast ( Hull area perhaps) where the rocket motors were fired up and launched westwards. In wartime, to keep up morale, one did not hear about troubles elsewhere, even in neighbouring towns, so it was a big shock in the early hours of Christmas eve 1944 to hear the unusual but unmistakeable roar of that rocket engine, then suddenly being shut off and hold one’s breath to hear an explosion and wonder where it had landed. How many more came this far westwards?
Only on Christmas Day morning did we learn – and go and see – where that spot was. Surrounded by hundreds of acres of open fields between Harrop Edge and Godley, it had exploded and demolished Westwood Farmhouse, opposite the New Inn across Mottram Road, where the Foulkes family had gathered to stay for Christmas. Sadly two of them were killed, arriving at the Mortuary at 7am Christmas Day – they were the farmer’s 17 years old son Gordon and Elizabeth Greenwood, 70, of Old Road, Failsworth and were both buried in Failsworth Cemetery. Others of the Foulkes family and also neighbours from the adjacent houses Westwood and the Glen were injured; miraculously 5 others who were in the farmhouse were uninjured. 
Those surviving records would have been so much more valuable had it been possible to locate another file ‘’A Register of War-damaged Buildings in Hyde’’ that may not have passed from Hyde Town Hall in 1974 to Tameside Council.
POSTSCRIPT – It would be interesting to learn the extent of the air raid damage inflicted on the other towns of Tameside. In
 ‘OUR BLITZ – RED SKIES OVER MANCHESTER’  it is stated that nearby Stockport escaped relatively lightly and perhaps was the most fortunate of all the towns in greater Manchester, although on one evening thousands of incendiaries fell on Stockport from aircraft many thousands of feet overhead, causing many fires evidently very quickly tackled, but there was damage to some hundreds of houses and personal injuries with only four people killed.
The Manchester area was protected by dozens of barrage balloons and by batteries of anti-aircraft guns – but where were those guns located: were any in Tameside? It has been said that there was such a battery on Werneth Low – The home Guard had a base at Windy Harbour but never possessed that weaponry. Ashton Moss could have suitable position? It is believed an ack-ack battery was at Melland Camp, Mount Road near Belle Vue. There was an observation Post to spot incoming bombers, with a bunker close to Hare and Hounds pub – it is still there, alongside the much more recent car park, hardly visible above ground level.
Mention has never been heard of our Interceptor Fighters being involved when these Manchester area air raids occurred – certainly the sound of their Rolls Royce Merlin engines would have been so distinctly recognised against the dull throbbing engines of the heavy bombers. It would be interesting to learn whether our Fighter Planes were ever in action here at the time of the Manchester Blitz and if so, where were their RAF bases?

Enemy aircraft heading for Manchester, once over the Pennines must have had a splendid navigational pointer below them in the line of the Longdendale Valley reservoirs, the Woodhead railway line and the large water expanse of the Denton and Audenshaw reservoirs and then would probably be flying near or directly over Hyde, where any bomber crew not wishing to be entangled in ack-ack flak or barrage balloons, could conceivably have been jettisoning their bomb load over our town before high-tailing it off home!  

Friday, 20 June 2014

New Blog-Site Hyde In War-Time WW1

I have spent some time scanning the book Hyde In War, pages from which have feature on here a few times. The book can be read in the Library, but is not to be taken out. I had never even heard of this book until a few years back. I was lucky enough to be given a copy and thought then it deserves it's own blog-site, where anyone with a computer could view and read it.


It really is a very good read, follow the link above and check it out, I'm sure you will find it of interest.


Monday, 16 June 2014

Lumn Road Stone Terrace Question


I received an email this week asking for a bit o help in finding the age of a row of stone terraces on Lumn Road, over to Clifford
"Hello, I live in an old stone terrace houses on Lumn Road and the junction of what was Queen Street Hyde. Still standing in my back yard is the old outside loo, it's no longer functional but would make a great restoration project at some point.  My question is would anybody know the approximate age of these properties? I tried to find out myself but to no avail".




Modern Map
The terrace now backs on to Glover Road
Hopefully we might be able to help get some idea of the age of the houses as well.


The above map is from 1841, the terrace are there then, I've highlighted them in yellow, Lumn Road was then called Back Lane. A lot of the land around there was owned by Edward Hyde Clarke, there's no details on the houses as to date or ownership.. the land behind the reservoir was known as Lady Heys.

Map from 1910

I had to write back to Clifford asking for a picture or two of the outside lav, I'm sure a few out there will have tales to tell of them.